I should have said nanofiber anti quantum entanglement suit - and the disruption field, (both external and internal to the suit) would have to be 360 degrees.
Though....I realized that external disruption could cause some serious issues if not contained.....so I'm not sure how to extend it beyond the body. Perhaps a set of nanolasers projected off the body?
And for that matter....is nano truly subatomic? I'm wondering how one would generate a disruption field that would allow atoms to pass through each other yet prevent external atoms from entangling with those of the person.....
I started responding to you yesterday, but I figured you deserved a well thought out answer, BK. Also, this is helping me to procrastinate on the entire 'writing my dissertation” thing. :)
One nanometer (nm) is 1*10-9 meter The next stage up in size is the micrometer (um, where the u should be a Greek mu) which is in units of 10-6 meters, and the one below is picometers (pm), which is in units of 10-12 meters. The size of a single proton – which is the nucleus of the smallest atom, hydrogen – is on the order of a femtometer, 1*10-15 meter. Your typical bond length between two atoms is best described as a fraction of a nanometer (between 0.1 nm up to about 0.5 nm, let's say). One of the largest and heaviest atoms, cesium, has a radius of about 270 pm (just shy of 0.3 nm). So, anything that is happening on the scale of nanometers is distinctly larger than anything that is happening within an atom, for the most part.
True subatomic particles – quarks, electrons, and such – aren't really well-defined with respect to size/length scale. To go back to the example of hydrogen (one proton plus one electron), the radius of hydrogen is somewhere in the 10-10 range. The electron has a mass nearly 1/2000th of the proton. This is where the wave-like behavior of very small particles is noticed – the expanded radius of the hydrogen atom is basically due to the fact that the electron's position/wavefunction is averaged over the empty space surrounding the proton. For the most part, subatomic particles are described in terms of mass, energy, and other experimentally observable properties.
There are four fundamental forces which govern interactions between matter. Gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force. (The unity of these – or the lack thereof – is perhaps a topic for a day long in the future...) The issue with “phasing” matter through something else which is material is that you would need to somehow disassociate the “phased' matter from interacting electromagnetically (so somehow completely electromagnetically neutral) at all. The strong and weak nuclear forces are pretty much able to be ignored as their ranges are on the order of a femtometer, at most. Gravity is relatively weak, although if you would want to “phase” through floors and ceilings – and not just through walls – there'd be that to consider. But the electromagnetic interaction is a killer – it is, believe it or not, the strongest interaction at most distances (the strong nuclear force is stronger, but only at very short length scales) and is responsible in one way or another for a lot of attractive and repulsive interactions of matter. It's the underlying issue, at an atomic scale, of as you bring atoms together, the electrons of each respective atom will be attracted to the nucleus of the other atom (while repulsing each other and staying out of one another's way), but as you get closer, the repulsion between the nuclei goes dramatically up.
Of course, one could figure that probabilistically one can “tunnel” through boundaries that according to classical physics are forbidden. So, if you ran at a wall every second for a trillion years, you would stand a better chance of just tunnelling through the wall.
Mind you, there is something which makes sense and would be super sweet if we could figure out a way to implement it. I am kind of figuring that you have a laser pointer somewhere in your house, but you've probably done this out of boredom at least once, I think most of us have. Put it up against one of your finger tips. The laser lights up your fingertip. The idea is that materials are basically transparent to particular types of electromagnetic radiation, including light in this example, depending on the particular details of the material (composition, bonding among the atoms, etc) and the wavelength of light.
The reason I didn't really mention ways of breaking down the coherences at a quantum mechanical level is that even if you managed to “uncorrelate” matter to prepare it for phasing, you would still face the above problems, particularly the electromagnetic interaction.
I would want to wait for a real life Shadowcat to show up. Very efficient phaser and looks good in yellow spandex. :)
Thanks for the lesson ...it really puts things into perspective. I wonder if such a nanofiber suit could produce multiple "rays" that could keep any disaggregated atoms in check at the femtometer level.
Of course, if we had found an easy way to determine a way to easily disperse the electromagnetic factor then we could essentially create a phaser that would simply disolve anything it touched.
Not exactally something we want criminals and nutcases to have access to unless we have some form to repel it.
The issue that I could envision is that even if someone could devise it so that electrical neutrality was preserved - no stray, unpaired electrical charges - the notion that it would remain neutral across all length scales at all times might be difficult. For example, at even somewhat short distance, a certain collection of particles might appear neutral, but at closer distances and at shorter time scales one might be able to detect temporary asymmetries in charge distribution.
The following is just me thinking out loud - nanoscale devices which serve as lasers emitting coherent light to decorrelate matter at a shorter length scale may not be feasible. Given that you would need a lot of them, interference effects from all of that light could get atrocious to consider, and might not get the desired effect due to overlap, nonlinear interactions of light with matter, and such.
It might be simpler to consider a "phasing vehicle" which decorrelates the space inside from the rest of the universe and can pass through things as desired. There is also a lot of information contained within a human body - the "dephasing" algorithm used to recorrelate a phased person's matter has an extremely low tolerance for errors, I'd think.
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Date: 2006-10-27 11:31 pm (UTC)Though....I realized that external disruption could cause some serious issues if not contained.....so I'm not sure how to extend it beyond the body. Perhaps a set of nanolasers projected off the body?
And for that matter....is nano truly subatomic? I'm wondering how one would generate a disruption field that would allow atoms to pass through each other yet prevent external atoms from entangling with those of the person.....
Pipe dreams I suppose.
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Date: 2006-10-28 07:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-10-28 06:08 pm (UTC)One nanometer (nm) is 1*10-9 meter The next stage up in size is the micrometer (um, where the u should be a Greek mu) which is in units of 10-6 meters, and the one below is picometers (pm), which is in units of 10-12 meters. The size of a single proton – which is the nucleus of the smallest atom, hydrogen – is on the order of a femtometer, 1*10-15 meter. Your typical bond length between two atoms is best described as a fraction of a nanometer (between 0.1 nm up to about 0.5 nm, let's say). One of the largest and heaviest atoms, cesium, has a radius of about 270 pm (just shy of 0.3 nm). So, anything that is happening on the scale of nanometers is distinctly larger than anything that is happening within an atom, for the most part.
True subatomic particles – quarks, electrons, and such – aren't really well-defined with respect to size/length scale. To go back to the example of hydrogen (one proton plus one electron), the radius of hydrogen is somewhere in the 10-10 range. The electron has a mass nearly 1/2000th of the proton. This is where the wave-like behavior of very small particles is noticed – the expanded radius of the hydrogen atom is basically due to the fact that the electron's position/wavefunction is averaged over the empty space surrounding the proton. For the most part, subatomic particles are described in terms of mass, energy, and other experimentally observable properties.
There are four fundamental forces which govern interactions between matter. Gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force. (The unity of these – or the lack thereof – is perhaps a topic for a day long in the future...) The issue with “phasing” matter through something else which is material is that you would need to somehow disassociate the “phased' matter from interacting electromagnetically (so somehow completely electromagnetically neutral) at all. The strong and weak nuclear forces are pretty much able to be ignored as their ranges are on the order of a femtometer, at most. Gravity is relatively weak, although if you would want to “phase” through floors and ceilings – and not just through walls – there'd be that to consider. But the electromagnetic interaction is a killer – it is, believe it or not, the strongest interaction at most distances (the strong nuclear force is stronger, but only at very short length scales) and is responsible in one way or another for a lot of attractive and repulsive interactions of matter. It's the underlying issue, at an atomic scale, of as you bring atoms together, the electrons of each respective atom will be attracted to the nucleus of the other atom (while repulsing each other and staying out of one another's way), but as you get closer, the repulsion between the nuclei goes dramatically up.
Of course, one could figure that probabilistically one can “tunnel” through boundaries that according to classical physics are forbidden. So, if you ran at a wall every second for a trillion years, you would stand a better chance of just tunnelling through the wall.
Mind you, there is something which makes sense and would be super sweet if we could figure out a way to implement it. I am kind of figuring that you have a laser pointer somewhere in your house, but you've probably done this out of boredom at least once, I think most of us have. Put it up against one of your finger tips. The laser lights up your fingertip. The idea is that materials are basically transparent to particular types of electromagnetic radiation, including light in this example, depending on the particular details of the material (composition, bonding among the atoms, etc) and the wavelength of light.
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Date: 2006-10-28 06:08 pm (UTC)The reason I didn't really mention ways of breaking down the coherences at a quantum mechanical level is that even if you managed to “uncorrelate” matter to prepare it for phasing, you would still face the above problems, particularly the electromagnetic interaction.
I would want to wait for a real life Shadowcat to show up. Very efficient phaser and looks good in yellow spandex. :)
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Date: 2006-10-30 12:05 pm (UTC)Of course, if we had found an easy way to determine a way to easily disperse the electromagnetic factor then we could essentially create a phaser that would simply disolve anything it touched.
Not exactally something we want criminals and nutcases to have access to unless we have some form to repel it.
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Date: 2006-10-30 02:54 pm (UTC)The following is just me thinking out loud - nanoscale devices which serve as lasers emitting coherent light to decorrelate matter at a shorter length scale may not be feasible. Given that you would need a lot of them, interference effects from all of that light could get atrocious to consider, and might not get the desired effect due to overlap, nonlinear interactions of light with matter, and such.
It might be simpler to consider a "phasing vehicle" which decorrelates the space inside from the rest of the universe and can pass through things as desired. There is also a lot of information contained within a human body - the "dephasing" algorithm used to recorrelate a phased person's matter has an extremely low tolerance for errors, I'd think.